Here’s the word-for-word transcript of a chat I had with “Lynn.” She used the chat app right here on my site to ask me a question. Read it. Do you agree or disagree with my approach? Tell me in the comments section below.
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chatbot31: Visitor: is requesting to chat
Reply here to chat with the visitor
Visitor: I would like to know your consulting rate?
me: I don’t have one.
me: What’s your name?
chatbot31: Lynn
me: Hi Lynn. Best if we speak, I can learn what you need and take it from there.
chatbot31: I would like to know a price range please?
me: Sorry, I can’t answer that. If you’re shopping based on price, I’m not the right address for you. If you’re shopping for results, we should talk.
Every situation is different. I don’t throw out numbers before I know what you need. That’s unethical.
chatbot31: As with any of my business deals I like to know dealings I like to know before I consult
me: Not sure what you mean, from “As with…”
chatbot31: we all like to get advise but the bottom line is that if your rate is out of budget….
me: If the results make sense, you find the budget. If they don’t make sense, budget doesn’t matter. If the results make sense and you won’t find the budget, then you really need to ask yourself if what you say you want is truly important. Anyway, step 1 is free.
When step 1 is clear, take it. Even if you don’t know how you’ll take step 2,
That’s good advice for always.
me: Step 1, in case I wasn’t clear, is a short conversation.
Let me know if you want to schedule it.
chatbot31: I hear where you are coming from, but I still would like to know a range, but if that would be difficult for you to discuss, that is OK, I feel I would need to know before I would take any steps with anybody, knowing if I would be able to continue!
me: You’re asking the wrong question. Consider that free consulting.
chatbot31: ok never mind
thanks for your time!
me: have a great day.
And give what i said some honest thought.
chatbot31: Visitor is now viewing http://dovgordon.net/products/ *
me: Just an FYI, we’re in the middle of moving servers and experiencing some hiccups. So some pages aren’t working as they should.
chatbot31: everybody has their own thought processes–as a business owner and yes a consultant myself I try to gear according to my clients and fulfilling their needs and solving their problems but maybe I should be stuck onto what I like not on what suits them!
me: Not sure why you say that.
chatbot31: everybody has a diff way of working, some like to get a feel for price and yes they do spend! but the like to know. I find it interesting that it is something that you feel cannot be discussed, at the end of the day price may not be the thing that will make or break a buying decision, more like the perceived value to consumer but it def. influences them
me: What’s the problem you have that you are looking for help with?
chatbot31: I am looking for additional ways of launching an additional service in a market in which my competitor is a recognized name in delivering the service
me: What’s the problem? What are you concerned will happen? Won’t happen?
What’s the end result you want? How will you know you’ve succeeded?
me: Lynn, I have a call in a few minutes. If you’ve found any of my work to be helpful, then I hope you’ll at least give what I’m about to say some consideration. I’ve been a bit tough in answering your questions because I can see instantly that you’re looking for help, but you’re looking or the wrong thing. I say this not just because you’re asking about price before you know what you’d be buying, but also because of your other question about looking for “additional ways to launch a service…” This is the wrong question.
me: You’ll have no trouble finding a long line of “marketing plumbers” eager to take a few dollars and tell you what to do. I see it every day, and I hope I can at least get you to reflect on what I’m saying and help you avoid that route. My unwillingness to discuss price is not because it’s what I want and it counters what my clients want. Just the opposite…
It’s because i know that you need help – and ifI answer your question, the wrong question, I’ll never have a chance to help you.
So I’d rather help you a little – by letting you know my honest belief about the little you’ve shared – than help you not at all.
If you don’t perceive it as good advice, that’s fine. No hard feelings. But I care. Very much. If you’ve listened to my teleseminars, you know that. It comes through.
I’m not here to help everyone. I’m here to help those who are ready to be challenged. If that’s you, great. If not, I’m sure God has put someone else out there who is a better match for you.
All in all, I’m grateful that you’ve asked and apparently have taken some interest in my work.
if you want to continue this conversation in any way, please send me an email atdovgordon@gmail.com
me: Latest teleseminars are here: http://dovgordon.net/2011-11-seminar1.php
Bye for now.
chatbot31: *Visitor is now viewing http://dovgordon.net/2011-11-seminar1.php
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So, how would you have handled this? Tell me below. And if you haven’t heard my two recent teleseminars, go get them here. Be sure to look at all the stories sent in by those who already listened.
Dov Gordon
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Before posting this on the blog, many of you replied via email. Have a look at some of the responses:
Cool email Dov
Very interesting read and shows off your approach and expertise well – nice idea!
Keep up the great work, — KH
Thank you, KH.
Honestly, Dov, she’s not worth your time… Starting with price for anything other than a commodity buy is foolishness… –WT
Yep. The sad thing is that many don’t realize that “consulting” isn’t a commodity.
Great email! kept me reading till the end… did she email you
– RK
Thank you. No she didn’t.
Pls see me tomorrow after class. — PR (my colleague down the hall.)
Uh oh.
I would have handled it differently – I would have lost control of the conversation (chat) and made a real mess of it. You, on the other hand, handled it masterfully! — DS
Well, you’re in the Plenty of Customers Group Action Program. You’ll soon be masterful yourself.
Sounds like a competitor wanting to know what to charge. –JO
Uh, I don’t think so. No real competitor would ask that question.
Wbo cares???? Get off the soapbox, brothet!! –KS
Hey, you’re free to unsubscribe.
I have never met ANYONE who puts the needs of their clients before his or her own needs more than you do. Your customers’ needs are your business! You do it well and you keep doing it better. Your conversation was beyond judgment. Nothing at all is lacking. –CG
Much obliged for your reply.
Good conversation Dov. Your concept and approach is correct but my sense is that she did not feel heard or understood. When I am asked the question about price, I do not want to make them feel they are asking the wrong question because to them that is the primary question. I always say something like this:
I appreciate price is important to you and price is critical. I cannot give you a price because I do not understand the problem. Some problems are as big as a breadbox and some are as large as a bus. Some people want the low cost budget approach to save money and others want the Rolls Royce approach and want me to do everything. If we could talk for a few minutes so I can get clear I would be happy to give you a price. If your budget is small we can create something where you are doing most of the work. If the budget is a bit larger I may do more of the work and save you time. When can we talk.
Does this make sense for you? –RF
I am a great student and an excellent client. When I find someone who might be able to help me, I ask good questions and I answer all of their questions. After I know that they can help me, I’ll ask about price. And then I’ll do everything they tell me and learn like a toddler. That’s the way to seek out expert help.
I think you spent too much time with her. –BC
Well, it provided a nice case study.
Nice. By the way, I can’t stand the “won’t talk about price” approach, either. (just call me “Lynn”?). It makes me feel that something dishonest or unethical is around the corner. I know you, though. If I were the new prospect, I’d want to hear, “It depends on what you need (seminar, coaching, etc). The first step is a free call so that we can figure that out.” Then again, you know what you’re doing, and I don’t! –SL
I admit I could have been more forthcoming in my guidance. But I also knew that if she wasn’t willing to share anything before hearing price, I didn’t want to waste my time talking to her.
(several paragraphs of critique)… Don’t preach. Again, just explain why, give people the information they want.
To end off my long shpiel, I still don’t know what the “wrong” question she was asking was, your answer was very vague. –N
If it was me, I would have asked “Why is it the wrong question?” Because when I’m seeking expert help, I want to know how the expert thinks. I want to understand who they are before I hire them. I was ready to explain – had she only asked.
Brilliant! — SG
Thank you.
Awesome post, Dov. And that took guts. Well done. — SG
Thank you.
It’s an interesting chat. At first I found myself sympathizing with her, wanting to know if she could afford you or not, and not wanting to get involved with you if your consulting rate was out of her budget. But then you made the very good point that it’s silly to ask the price before you even know what it is that you want or will be getting for your money. — SB
The best insight I gained from this was in a discussion with AM who pointed out:
You should have first asked her how she found you because that would have given you insight into what her interests were.
This is an EXCELLENT point. I don’t believe it would have made a difference in the outcome. But, this is an important lesson. I was assuming that Lynn was somewhat familiar with my work. And that she was asking questions based on having liked what she had seen. But this might be wrong. And if I had known otherwise, I would have replied differently.
What do you think? Share your thoughts below.